Today, all parties involved signed off on a dramatic increase in mileage standards for cars and trucks. Looks like the automotive world returns to its beginnings. 4 cylinders. If you feel you NEED a heavy truck, you will pay dearly for it...I think it's a good plan. We don't have much choice really...
Not impossible, but the news report I heard was that it'll cost an additional $1300 per vehicle to do so. That's 325 more gallons of fuel, at $4/gallon, that $1300 could buy. Does that mean they'll charge us a "gas sipper" fee along with a "gas guzzler" fee?
Does anybody have a breakdown on just how the #1300.00 figure was compiled? I need to see just what is reflected in this figure,reasearch the argument,until then it is just so much retoric.
Hours after the fuel standards came out one political party was crying about how many hundreds will die because of the standards,show me the money,put up or shut up,you get it. Its all spin and everyone has their own interest. One party's interest is to prove that absolutely nothing, I mean nothing the President is doing or will do is the right thing to do,one guy makes a living talking smack about the President 6 days a week day after day.
Obama needs to be put back into his place. It is not the job of the President to impose emissions regulations on auto makers. I bet Obama will keep on riding around in a Suburban, surrounded by ten other Suburbans on his way to his personal 747...What a hypocrite. Remember Obama's first trip on Air Force One? It was from DC to a small town in Virginia! I guess he doesn't believe that what is good for the goose is good for the Royal Gander.
"Obama needs to be put back into his place. It is not the job of the President to impose emissions regulations on auto makers."
Actually, it's the legislature's job. Obama did his job by suggesting a change. Whether any of us agrees with it or not, they did their respective jobs. The President will ride in a super-secure Cadillac limousine. The Secret Service agents ride in the phalanx of Suburbans. BTW, *any* town in Virginia is small. But the trip would have been justified if he went to Bristol! Drag races are preferred, but NASCAR is OK, too.
"What? So what you're saying is that it is the governments job to beat us into submission because they know best? "
No, that's not at all what I said. Congress legislates, and the President recommends things, then signs legislation into law. You had the jobs attached to the wrong people. That's all I said. Except for a little fun about Bristol.
Obama had to do this because Bush et al didn't have the stones to buck the wishes of his old big oil buddies. These kinds of standards needed to be enacted years ago, better late than never.
Remember the industrial revolution changed the world. We are now coming to the end of the "oil revolution". The world is changing, extinction is what happens to any species that can't adapt. The time has come for us to realize we have to adapt IF America is to maintain its leadership position in the world.
Well your friend Obama is going to raise the price of the average car by at least $1300, according to the Messiah himself. Why should these standards have been enacted years ago? What does oil have to do with extinction of humans? How does forcing industry into building unprofitable products help America maintain its leadership? How does forcing Americans into buying cars they don't naturally desire help America? Since when is the government the source of inspiration and ingenuity in America?
I wish Obama had "the stones" to buck the wishes of his old big enviro-nazi buddies, like David Bookbinder who is the Sierra Clubs chief climate lawyer.
Two problems here. One is tailpipe emissions. The other is fuel consumption. Fuel consumption is by far the more pressing. The US is running out of oil. Nobody who knows much about US geology thinks much more oil will be found in the US -- certainly not enough to cover our seven billion barrel a year petroleum habit. The problem is that we have to buy petroleum abroad and we don't remotely sell enough grain, commercial aircraft, computer software, etc to cover the costs. Bad things happen to people who spend more than the make. Countries also.
The world probably will start to run out of also -- quite possibly before cars being built today are scrapped. It'd probably be a really good idea not to be using a lot of it when that happens.
Respectfully, this is not true. I'm not even in the industry and I have had conversations with at least 5 geologists that concede there is hundreds of millions of barrels in reserve and that is not even considering emerging extraction technologies to get at even more. The problem is the strangle hold the feds have on the states, lands, and corporations to get at the oil and more importantly build more and newer refineries. It's a parallel to the 'shortage' of the Carter era. There was no such thing as soon as corporations were freed to be innovative, creative, and find out how to get to previously unreachable or unknown reserves.
Obama didn't invent emission and fuel standards. They have been around a long time, it was time to change them.
There is a finite supply of oil in the ground the faster we use it up the faster we have to develop options for other fuels. Oil is important to making all kinds of products especially plastics. Someday it will be too precious to waste by burning up in a car.
The cars American mfgs are making aren't selling and aren't profitable. If they were then the auto companies wouldn't need government bailout money.
If you have the money you will still be able to buy a big truck and SUV. You may have less choices, but they will still be on the market.
There is nothing wrong with driving a small economical car. My '03 Civic is actually fun to drive and gets 40mpg on interstate trips.
Fact is your "guys" were in political office and had the power in America for years and they screwed it up. I know you'll argue with all the points and tune into Rush Limbaugh for more reasons to beat up on "Liberals". I am liberal and am not ashamed of it. I'm not buying into any of your conservative, paranoid, BS either.
Unfortunately I don't have time in my day to listen to Limbaugh. But I'm glad yo hear you're listening, there is hope. And conservative, paranoid BS is free you don't have to buy it. On the other hand you are buying, with your tax dollars, the liberal, paranoid BS on NPR.
>>Fact is your "guys" were in political office and had the power in America for years and they screwed it up.
Um, let me see. When your guys were in power last time, how many times did terrorists attack us, vs. how many times since Bush realized what we are really dealing with?
The reason this nation is screwed up is because the citizens are demanding more and more and more. Politicians of every party to survive must give it to them, or be tossed out.
President Obama grew up in a white household, and was known as "Barry" at home. Like most middle class people, both black and white, the only thing he knew about being poor was what he read. Until he started organizing in Chicago. Then he may have witnessed poverty first hand, but only witnessed it.
"Maybe Obama and I didn't live through those times, but my parents and grandparents did."
Not only was he too late, he also didn't live anywhere near where these activities took place. He live most of his life before college in Hawaii and Indonesia. He was better accepted by native Hawaiians because he was not white. He would have been as well accepted in Indonesia as any other foreigner, possibly better if the Indonesians equated white people with the European colonists.
"Back in his place" was obviously a reference to the office of the President. Interesting that you immediatly went to race....Obama does have intimate knowledge of poverty. He has several poverty striken relatives around the world, that he doesn't care to share his millions with.
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