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I guess the way I feel is that you can't have a peaceful, prosperous, safe, and stabile society if you are constantly being invaded by foreign powers. Stop the bleeding. Apply direct pressure, and apply a tourniquet if necessary. It's simply a question of survival. Do we want to survive as a nation or perish? That's what this debate boils down to. ]]> http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1102421 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1102421 GMT We, as a society, need to agree to support our neighbors to the South. The "war on drugs" has failed. "Supply and Demand" will drive the drugs and illegals North. The money is simply too massive. As long as someone (us) wants cheap food, cheap labor, cheap gas.... (sure I don't consider $3.50/gallon as cheap) Don't get me started on using "food" crops for "bio-fuel".
Yes, the Mexican Wall is only part of a much more complex problem. Special interest groups... heck, your, my Congressman(woman) is he/her own special interest group! The Bush43 loose interpretation of the Constitution... Money talks and bulls*** gets reelected. (Sorry for the rant... if I post another reply, I'll try to stay on topic.)]]> http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1098827 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1098827 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1083451 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1083451 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1082624 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1082624 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1079217 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1079217 GMT
These calls for a fence are based on brown fear. Punish employers not workers. The market is dependent on low wages. In alaska we have Puerto Ricans (who are american) driving trucks for $8.00hr hte prevailing wage is $27.00 hr Exxon reaps the profit we pay the price.]]> http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1078024 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1078024 GMT "Millions for defense; but not one cent for tribute!".]]> http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1077012 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1077012 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1071034 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1071034 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1070822 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1070822 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1069411 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1069411 GMT That the whole idea behind exporting democracy. It's for everyone everywhere. You shouldn't have to come to the US to benefit from it.]]> http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1068017 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1068017 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1063415 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1063415 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1008044 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1008044 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1009028 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1009028 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1008423 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1008423 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1006424 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1006424 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1008429 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1008429 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1005859 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1005859 GMT
I agree with you to a degree. Where I disagree is where the presence of more people (both USAn & Newly USAn citizens) are allowed to destory a area's standard of living (not having enough money to support that much public services) and a overpopulated area's, of any state, environment. To me any state area's standard of living and environment is untouchable; thus, sure I want to allow as much immigration as the unpopulated areas, of any states, can have and maintain their standard of livings and environments. And yes, that means eventually there will no longer be any room for the entire world's poor, persecuted and harmed. I wish we had endless amount of space and more people did not equal less healthier environment, but it never will.]]> http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1008625 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1008625 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1003266 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1003266 GMT families) continues to erode our quality of living and environments (which is really a part of quality of living; let alone the small affective of a huge fence). We should make US Constitutional Laws that makes it illegal and huge consequences (based upon earning level of the companies) for any size company to:
hire any non-USAn Citizen,
(Move or own anything outside of The USA) pay other countries' citizens less, work more hours, health insurance and less worker rights than USAn Citizens
and
Etc.]]> http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1003222 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1003222 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1003026 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1003026 GMT That is treating the symptom rather than the disease. The solution is only going to be found in addressing the core issues of economic disparity with our neighbors and within our own borders; either we behave like our historic values as a nation continue to warrant honor, or we become as "small" as the people currently in charge (this administration and it's corrupt assemblage of incompetents and morally bankrupt stooges) who, for lack of any true compassion or leadership or creativity, fall back into a paranoid, protectionist, covetous mentality where only military contractors and oil companies fluorish.]]> http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1002266 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#1002266 GMT
I do not support the actual fence. I think it can be done 100% with workplace enforcement in a humane way. The fence will screw up the enviorment an eyesore and is a bad image for America.
]]> http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#994865 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#994865 GMT yeah, right.

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So, how does adding a 700 Mile fence relate to my statement above? well, if you cant go around it, you dig under it. Thats what the people who are crossing over are doing. People, we are human. No one likes to be caged up. Eventually, that fence, if its put up, will be of no use. The people escaping from Mexico because of whatever reason, will eventually be in a too great of a number and will overpower border patrol. Just my prediction. Imagine if you had a national crisis in the U.S and everybody went TO MEXICO, and when you reached the border, they send you back blindfolded,handcuffed on some B-52 bomber that can barely take off. Good luck depending on Mexico for help in the future. ]]> http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#991014 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#991014 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#991013 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#991013 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#990050 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#990050 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#989486 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#989486 GMT I'm curious how things operate down there. I'm visited Mexico a number of times, and it is a wild country.
Thanks for your reply. ]]> http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#990623 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#990623 GMT
all you have to do is look at the recent attempt to force all us citizens to purchase passports to return to the us.

i see the fence idea as a plan to further control us citizens. our government knows the common sense laws of locks and fences.

dont be caught up in the frenzy of their propaganda, you and/or your kids or grandkids will suffer.

a fence is close to the top of the list for stupid ideas ive heard.

i am retired and living in mexico. mexico can of course require me to obtain a passport to live here, they have not mentioned the need. the us cannot require me to obtain a passport to return to the us. hahahahahahaha,, thats just downright stupid.]]> http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#989485 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#989485 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#990039 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#990039 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#988223 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#988223 GMT we need to stiffen to penalties of illegal alien, the hard worker coming just want what we all want to feed their families. we should demand to see all the illegal alien voter cards to see where they came from and then place penalties on the Mexican government if they do not place jobs in those states. We loan millions to Mexico every year I believe we have muscle to negociate there.]]> http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#987440 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#987440 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#987421 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#987421 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#986417 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#986417 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#984823 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#984823 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#984466 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#984466 GMT Illegal immigrants and their trash is doing more harm to the environment than a fence....
Why not spend some of that money we're spending on border security in Iraq for border security here at home....

(Ending automatic birth citizenship would be the best strategy)]]> http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#975015 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#975015 GMT PS Didn't we condemn Isreal for building a fence? That sure has gotten quiet . . .]]> http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#972821 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#972821 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#972628 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#972628 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#972319 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#972319 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#952011 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#952011 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#951084 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#951084 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#948020 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#948020 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#942057 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#942057 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#923224 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#923224 GMT http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#945257 http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/theworld/posts/list/748412.page#945257 GMT
1. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools, no special ballots for elections, and all government business will be conducted in our language.

2. Foreigners will NOT have the right to vote, no matter how long they are here.

3. Foreigners will NEVER be able to hold political office.

4. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, nor any other government assistance programs.

5. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.

6. If foreigners do come and want to buy land that will be okay, BUT options will be restricted. You are not allowed to own waterfront property. That property is reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.

7. Foreigners may not protest; no demonstrations, no waving a foreign flag, no political organizing, no "bad-mouthing" our president or his policies. If you do you will be sent home .

8. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be hunted down and sent straight to jail.

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